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Topics of the day:

  1. prom/Spanish (6)
  2. FORE - golf term in French? (2)
  3. POR/PARA Project or Activities (3)
  4. Language Elmination  - backlash ? (2)
  5. youtube
  6. FORE: golf terms in French -- Answers
  7. Spanish Positions In IL???
  8. Diam's me tue!
  9. Little Prince materials songs
 10. Maghreb Project
 11. YouTube is amazing (9)
 12. speaking in target language (2)
 13. "Prom" in England (was prom/Spanish) (2)
 14. Questions about French song
 15. Spanish Civil war
 16. Thank you (Spanish Civil War)
 17. Need Fundraising Idesa (2)
 18. suggestions for brand new classroom (3)
 19. looking for 'la valise rouge
 20. short video on Paris

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Date:    Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:27:07 -0400
From:    Elvira Rebate <mslsts@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: prom/Spanish

[baile de gala] [baile de etiqueta] [baile formal]...  All this seem good
translations to me.

But...  in Spain (I don't know if this is true for other Spanish speaking
countries), this kind of formal dance, school related rite of passage,
doesn't exist.  Students way of "celebrating" these rites of passage is
often to go on a leisure trip [viaje de fin de curso].  Usually the students
raise money throughout the year and the amount of funds raised "defines" the
destination.

In this sense, I find the following translation more accurate [baile de fin
de curso]

Elvira Rebate

>From: C Michele Lash <cmlash@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Subject: Re: [FLTEACH] prom/Spanish
>Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:09:03 -0500
 ...snip...
>... Spanish word/phrase for "prom?"
>
>I usually call it "el baile formal," but my kids were hoping for something
>more specific."

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Date:    Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:34:33 -0400
From:    Wes Groleau <groleau+flt@FREESHELL.ORG>
Subject: Re: FORE - golf term in French?

> We must not have many golfers in this Listserv?  I had no response, so
> I'll ask this again... what would the equivalent be of the term "FORE!"
> in French ?

Well, I am not a golfer, but I've played a few times,
and watched it on TV a few times.

I have NEVER heard anyone (except in cartoons) yell
"FORE!" before a stroke.  Or a swing or a drive or
whatever they call it.

Do golfers really say that?  Or are we trying to
translate something that doesn't exist?

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Date:    Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:08:17 -0700
From:    Patrick Miller <pmiller@LINFIELD.EDU>
Subject: POR/PARA Project or Activities

I am needing ideas for activities or some type of project for Spanish 3, =
when teaching the usage of the prepositions por and para.  Has anybody =
done anythng that the students enjoyed and gained some understanding. =20
=20
Thanks-
=20
Patrick

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Date:    Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:50:14 -0700
From:    Karen Sanchez <salachic@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Language Elmination  - backlash ?

My school is phasing out the french program. The Board made the decision last year, and of course the language dept was the last to know. I'm the spanish teacher.  My 6th grade intro to language study/culture class was eliminated because I no longer have time in my schedule.  I teach only MS, and this year I now have the entire 7th grade and 2/3 of the 8th grade. Next year I will have 2 full grade levels.   Admin has not mentioned hiring another spanish teacher. I have stopped doing all the projects I used to with the kids, I just can't grade it all. I also don't have time to be in contact with the parents as much as I'd like. Have any of you gone through this? Are there other repercussions I should watch out for?  I am doing 2x the number of students as the other MS teachers, but I still have to do cafe duty etc because it's in our contract.  Any ideas?

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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:06:59 -0400
From:    "B. Henman" <bhenman@COLUMBUS.RR.COM>
Subject: Re: POR/PARA Project or Activities

We just did one the other day that they liked.  I wrote 15 sentences
trying to cover all the different uses of the two, then wrote them out
in large print on long strips of paper.  Then I cut them in half, just
before the por/para.  I randomly distributed them to the class, and
instructed them to find their "match."  You have to be very careful when
writing your sentences so that they can't have more than one match. 
Once they found their match they stood with them and all formed a large
circle around the room.  We went through each pair, and they had to read
their sentence and explain why they thought it was correct, based on the
por/para.  Many find that they are incorrectly matched of course once we
go through, but it's nice how they figure it out on their own once they
see the sentences together.

Hope that helps...it's a little different from the standard fill-in.

Beth Henman
Westerville North High School
Westerville, OH

Patrick Miller wrote:
> I am needing ideas for activities or some type of project for Spanish 3, when teaching the usage of the prepositions por and para.  Has anybody done anythng that the students enjoyed and gained some understanding. 
> Thanks-
> Patrick
>
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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:32:10 -0400
From:    =?windows-1252?Q?Daniel_Hanson?= <danhan22@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: prom/Spanish

JMW,

As you suspected, this is an American cultural concept that cannot be=20
translated, at least not directly because such a concept in Hispanic=20
traditional culture does not exist. (Well, in Mexico there's "baile de=20=

quincea=F1era," but that's not really what an American prom is like.)

"Baile de etiqueta, baile formal, baile de gala" all mean "formal/dress-u=
p=20
dance." Even the concept of prom is different in the UK. While visiting=20=

London during the summer a few years back, I remember seeing "Proms"=20
and "Queen's Jubilee" signs all around downtown London. I learned=20
that "prom" had a different usage in the UK.

If you look in English-Spanish dictionaries, you will most likely just fi=
nd=20
an explanation of what an American prom is, not a direct translation for=20=

the concept of "prom."

I explain to students who want to find out how to translate cultural=20
concepts that do not exist in both cultures that it's a cultural issue, a=
nd=20
that there is not a direct translation. After I explain that problem of=20=

trying to translate from one language to another, they seem to accept it=20=

better. I'm sure many teachers find students trying to do this while=20
creating their own dialogues/skits, etc.

Hope that helps!

Sincerely,

Daniel Hanson
High School Spanish Instructor
Atwater, California, USA

(www.wordreference.com)
prom =97 baile de etiqueta de los institutos (definition that's=20
understandable for people living in Spanish, since in Spain they call "hi=
gh=20
school" "instituto")

prom =97 baile de promoci=F3n (translation used in Spain since "promoci=F3=
n"=20
means 'the graduating class' [I guess this word is used in Mexico as well=
,=20
but I never really heard it in Northern Mexico. I usually heard native=20=

speakers use the word "generaci=F3n," for example, "Somos de la misma=20
generaci=F3n".]; the American custom isn't really practiced in Hispanic=20=

cultures in general)

prom/formal - promoci=F3n, fiesta de promoci=F3n (in Peru)

(Oxford)
prom - baile del colegio, de la facultad, etc. (again, not a direct=20
translation)

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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 07:27:35 -0400
From:    kim thatcher <kimzinnie@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: youtube

I agree-- I found a lot of advertisements and propaganda for the
presidential election! Take a look at those for a real eye-opener!

--Kim Thatcher
The Knox School
Saint James, NY

<<<<Subject: YouTube is amazing

Hello Colleagues,

I checked out YouTube on the off chance it would have a video of Pierre
Perret singing his song Lily.  It fits with our theme of See
Better/anti-racism at school this year.  And it is there!  It dates from
1977 & there are several versions on YouTube.  Amazing.  And I found a 2
minute video called Stop au Racisme that has parts of Lily in the
background.  Here is the url if you'd like to watch it.  It has some French
on screen words directed at children to stop racism.  It will be great for
use in class.  I think YouTube is amazing.  The internet is a fantastic
resource for us language teachers.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6w7k1jEAKiM >>>>

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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 06:37:15 -0500
From:    Deb Flaugher <DebFlaugh@MCHSI.COM>
Subject: FORE: golf terms in French -- Answers

Thanks to Mary Spaeth, I learned that the French use either "BALLE!" or
"FORE!"... Thanks Mary!

I was reminded to Google!=20
When googling "Le golf" and "FORE" I got a bunch of good pages.  For
those who are also interested, this one
http://www.wallabytravel.com/rwc2007/index.php?id=3D158 has a list of
French / English golf terms. I've printed it out for my advanced student
(who is on the school's golf team) who wanted to know.=20
For example (from the above Australian website):

=20
Le trou
 The hole or the cup
=20
Un bois
 A wood
=20
Un fer
 An iron
=20
Le drapeau
 The flag
=20
Une escalope
 A divot (also means fillet)
=20
Un gaucher
 A left hander
=20
Un droitier
 A right hander
=20
Une balle de golf
 A golf ball
=20
Le sable
 The sand
=20
Dans l=92eau
 In the water=20
=20
Hors limite
 Out of bounds
=20
Bon parcours
 Enjoy your round
=20
C=92est donn=E9
 It=92s a gimme
=20
Le dix neuvieme trou
 The 19th hole
=20
Le parcours
 The course
=20
Un chariot
 A pull cart
=20
Une voiture
 A cart
=20
La chance du debutant
 Beginners luck
=20
Taper dans le vide
 Airswing
=20
Club jet=E9
 Club throw
=20
La tricherie
 Cheating
=20
Un coup rate
 A duff
=20
Le tigre
 The tiger
=20
Un gant
 A glove
=20
Les chaussures de golf
 Golf shoes
=20
Un sac de golf
 Golf bag
=20
Ligne
 Line
=20
Un arbre
 A tree
=20
La droit de placer la balle
 Preferred lie
=20
Craquer
 Choke
=20
Faire un putt du ruff
 Putt from the rough
=20
BALLE!!!!!
 FORE!!!!
=20
Depechez-vous
 Hurry up
=20
Passez devant nous monsieur
 Play through, sir
=20
Ce n=92est que du cul ca
 That=92s all arse
=20
Frapper comme un malade
 An aggressive swing
=20
Bien jou=E9
 Well played
=20
Belle balle=20
 Well played
=20
Ne pas trouver la balle
 Can=92t find the ball
=20
Neuf d=92aller
 Front nine
=20
Neuf de retour
 Back nine


Thanks everyone!

Deb

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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 09:37:19 -0400
From:    Ana Lombardo <alombardo@GERSTELL.ORG>
Subject: Re: prom/Spanish

Hello,

When growing up in Peru and when I graduated from Upper School many =
moons
ago.  We had the "Fiesta de Promoci=F3n" and we also had the "Viaje de
Promoci=F3n".  La fiesta de promoci=F3n was a formal dance (the dress, =
the
flower and private club or nice hall/restaurant) just like in the US.

Ana=20

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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 07:12:40 -0700
From:    Deana Alonso-Post <deanaalonso@COX.NET>
Subject: Re: prom/Spanish

I graduated from HS in Mexico City. We had a "Fiesta de graduaci=F3n", =20=

formal dinner/dance with all of our parents and family present.
I attended a private school. I am not sure what pubic schools do.
   :-Deana






On Apr 15, 2007, at 6:37 AM, Ana Lombardo wrote:

> Hello,
>
> When growing up in Peru and when I graduated from Upper School many =20=


> moons
> ago.  We had the "Fiesta de Promoci=F3n" and we also had the "Viaje de
> Promoci=F3n".  La fiesta de promoci=F3n was a formal dance (the dress, =

the

> flower and private club or nice hall/restaurant) just like in the US.
>
> Ana
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
 ...snip...
> call "high
> school" "instituto")
>
> prom =97 baile de promoci=F3n (translation used in Spain since =

"promoci=F3n"

> means 'the graduating class' [I guess this word is used in Mexico =20
> as well,
> but I never really heard it in Northern Mexico. I usually heard native
> speakers use the word "generaci=F3n," for example, "Somos de la misma
> generaci=F3n".]; the American custom isn't really practiced in =

Hispanic

> cultures in general)
>
> prom/formal - promoci=F3n, fiesta de promoci=F3n (in Peru)
>
> (Oxford)
> prom - baile del colegio, de ...
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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:17:41 -0400
From:    Terri Marlow <marlowt@SUDDENLINK.NET>
Subject: Re: POR/PARA Project or Activities

...as an addendum to Beth's great idea....a suggestion...

Before doing the interactive activity concentrate on only one of the
prepositions for a couple of days.  (I choose "para"  because I think it's
uses are more obvious to students.)  Also -  they have already had an intro
to the contrast through an activity reviewing the ser/estar contrast that
also included "por/para" questions in context.  I introduced ideas about
para - but only in passing - just to get the idea "out there".

My first activity is a pre-test - 15 sentences - choose por/para - make it
fun - "OK so you missed half the items- we're just learning" - the objective
isn't necessarily to have the correct response - but rather, to THINK about
the different ideas each preposition presents. 
Then we review the sentences using "para" and they tell me WHY - sometimes
they need a little assistance to get their idea across - but they're usually
very good at this.  Later after introducing "por" - when they have a firmer
idea of "para" we review the first pre-test so they can "discover" the uses
of "por".

The second day I give a dictation w/ 8 sentences that illustrate the uses of
"para" - corrected sentences are shown on an overhead - and we review the
uses - if there is time, I like them to discuss the uses with a partner
followed by a quick review w/ me.

Then I say - SO...........if the sentence you're dealing with doesn't detail
one of these ideas - then use POR.  (Simplification - learn/understand
"para" - so if it's not "para", use "por".) 
Beth's interactive, kinesthetic activity would then reinforce the concept of
"para" use, and "open the door" for an introduction to the uses of "por".

Terri Marlow
Parkersburg HS
Parkersburg, WV 26101
marlowt@suddenlink.net

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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:22:57 EDT
From:    Beth Damascus <Pjlp26bj@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Spanish Positions In IL???

Trinity High School in River Forest, Il
Spanish/Italian position (4 Spanish, 2 Italian classes)
 
Contact: Michele Whitehead, Principal
             Trinity  High School
              7574 W. Division
              River Forest, Il 60305
 
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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:12:13 -0400
From:    Line Feldman <linef@OPTONLINE.NET>
Subject: Re: Diam's me tue!

Bonjour,

Nan nan means non, (nan=non), and "boulette" refers to drugs, a small
"boule" or ball of hashish. Diam's' songs are raw and talk about the harsh
reality of the French suburbs: drugs, rejection, violence against women,
etc.


Hope this helps,

Line Feldman,
Stony Brook, NY

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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:28:25 EDT
From:    Linda Tuttle <LiMaBaTu@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: prom/Spanish

 
In a message dated 4/15/2007 6:34:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
danhan22@AOL.COM writes:

Even the concept of prom is different in the UK. While visiting
London during the summer a few years back, I remember seeing "Proms"
and "Queen's Jubilee" signs all around downtown London. I learned
that "prom" had a different usage in the UK.

 
Okay, now I'm curious...please explain the usage in the UK.
Thanks.
Linda.



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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:31:28 -0400
From:    "Joni L. Pontius" <jpontius@ROCHESTER.RR.COM>
Subject: Re: Language Elmination  - backlash ?

Any chance of enlisting help from outraged parents?
    ~Joni, in Seneca Falls

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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:37:14 -0400
From:    D & M Blaz <blazm@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Little Prince materials songs

I use a song also by Blankass called "La couleur des bl=E9s" which is in =
video
form on one of the free offerings from the Consulat francais in New =
Orleans
(Adam Steg)
mentioned recently here on FLTEACH and offered at =
www.espacefrancophone.org,
I believe.

L'heure de la sortie a sonn=E9
Encore une journ=E9e pass=E9e =E0 rien penser...
Courir, payer, acheter, voler...
Et un jour oublier la couleur des bl=E9s.

Moi, j'ai vu des bateaux couler
Sans un poing lev=E9, sans une voix hauss=E9.
Apprendre =E0 ne jamais rien demander,
Surtout ne pas regarder les gens tomber...

{Refrain:}
Un peu plus de sang sur les doigts
Mais c'est =E7a le paradis,
Si tu vois par-dessus les toits,
La couleur des verts de gris.
Un peu plus de sang =E0 cracher,
Mais petit, c'est beau la vie !
Et dedans, les gens sont cach=E9s,
La nuit tous les chats sont gris.

Les trains sont pleins de gens press=E9s.

Press=E9s d'arriver, se coucher, se lever...
Un jour maussade, et un jour gai,
Suivant l'arrivage, la quantit=E9 du bl=E9...

{au Refrain}

It shows how much a part of French "connaissances" the Little Prince is,
that it would be casually mentioned in a popular song (albeit not real
recent) assuming that everyone would 'get' the reference from the story =
and
know that it basically means close friendships.

The video (somewhat hilariously) features punk lead singer with tattoos
doing heavy-metal moves while playing....an accordion!=20

Thanks for the other song references for use with LPP.

Deb Blaz, FLTEACHer=20

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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:46:40 -0400
From:    D & M Blaz <blazm@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Maghreb Project

It's been quite a while since I last watched it but I think maybe you could
use parts of La Haine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Haine (for a plot synopsis) 
a movie about racism (mostly in the French police). As I said, my memory of
specifics is a bit hazy. I'll have to watch it again.

As I remember it's VERY raw as well as controversial and uses a lot of
language, etc. but I think perhaps short bits might be useable to show
racism and the urban problems in France. It's being released on DVD this
month as part of the Criterion collection of classic movies.

Does anybody on the List use this in class?

Deb Blaz

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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:22:08 -0400
From:    "Fischerkeller, Erin C." <FISCHERKELLEREC1@GCC.EDU>
Subject: Re: YouTube is amazing

There are also some great videos on YouTube of San Fermines and Las =
Fallas in Valencia (there is an especially good one of a mascleta). =
Those are the only Spanish-related topics I have researched on YouTube =
so far. I wish there had been YouTube when I was in high school. It =
would have made some lessons a lot more interesting. I=B4m excited to be =
able to use it when I become a teacher, though! : )
=20
Erin Fischerkeller
Pre-Service Teacher
Grove City College

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Date:    Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:25:21 -0700
From:    Sandra Howard <khoward50@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: YouTube is amazing

Hello Colleagues,

I checked out YouTube on the off chance it would have a video of Pierre
Perret singing his song Lily.  It fits with our theme of See
Better/anti-racism at school this year.  And it is there!  It dates from
1977 & there are several versions on YouTube.  Amazing.  And I found a 2
minute video called Stop au Racisme that has parts of Lily in the
background.  Here is the url if you'd like to watch it.  It has some =
French
on screen words directed at children to stop racism.  It will be great =
for
use in class.  I think YouTube is amazing.  The internet is a fantastic
resource for us language teachers.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3D6w7k1jEAKiM


--
Sandra Howard
Marin Catholic High School
Kentfield California
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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:06:00 -0700
From:    Jo Newman <jnewman@SPANISH4LIFE.NET>
Subject: Re: prom/Spanish

The proms are a very traditional series of concerts held at the same place
every year.
The final concerts are televised and it becomes a big patriotic party where
the audience is very involved.
To me it is a time where we let loose a little - well, quite a lot for us
Brits.

Here is a link to some more info:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/proms/

Best wishes,

Jo

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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:41:30 -0500
From:    Hollie Linville <hollie7@VERIZON.NET>
Subject: Re: FORE - golf term in French?

Hi,
here is a site for French golf terms.
http://french.about.com/library/vocab/sports/bl_golf.htm

I do play golf and I played once with a guy from Haiti, and although we did use the terms on the site (above), neither one of us had to use "fore." 

Yes, "fore" is said on the golf course to alert someone that a shot has gone in their direction and might hit someone.  (You don't say it before a shot, you say it after a bad one was hit.)  Hopefully, you don't have to use it or hear it much.  I'm going to guess that because the French terms for golf would have had to have been made up, that they probably use the word FORE because it is a danger alert word.  It's like the international word for "get the heck out of the way or you'll be hit by a golf ball." 

Sorry for the delay of responding to your email -- I was in Florida playing golf.  :-)

Hollie

>> We must not have many golfers in this Listserv?  I had no response, so
>> I'll ask this again... what would the equivalent be of the term "FORE!"
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>
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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:44:18 -0700
From:    Katie Heaps <kaetea@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Subject: speaking in target language

I have a problem with my upper-level classes (Spanish III) for which I am going to do action research.  The problem is that I cannot get them to speak in the target language.  Even if I use only the target language the entire class, I cannot seem to persuade them to as well.  What do you all do to keep them focused and practicing the languaget they are there to learn?  Any input, personal anecdotes, journals, articles, books, anything...will be greatly appreciated! 
  
  Thanks so much!
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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:08:06 -0700
From:    Roy and Jennifer Henson <rjhenson@PACBELL.NET>
Subject: "Prom" in England (was prom/Spanish)

In response to the comment:
'Even the concept of prom is different in the UK. While visiting
London.......
I learned that "prom" had a different usage in the UK.'

Linda wrote:

"Okay, now I'm curious...please explain the usage in the UK".


In England, the word "prom" generally makes people think of a hugely popular series of classical music concerts that occur over the summer. They have been taking place for over 100 years and were, I think, originally devised as a way of making concert attendance more affordable. The famous name most closely associated with them is the now long-dead Sir Henry Wood. The concerts are broadcast by the BBC.

Although there are many concerts during the season, there is one particular concert which is what makes the proms famous and part of British culture. That is the annual "Last night of the Proms".

At the last night, the first part of the concert is pretty traditional. But in the second part, certain pieces of music, several  generally considered "patriotic" were traditionally played. Although there was seating at the concerts, there was also a well where people, often students and other youngsters, stood to listen. During the second part of the Last Night, the promenaders in this section traditionally went a big wild, waving flags, streamers and signs and blowing squeakers, etc. All the concerts are broadcast on BBC radio, but this section of the last night concert was usually televised and was a lot of fun. I think that's what really made it enter our culture.

Certainly, I have very happy childhood memories of my whole family watching it on television. There was always the "Sailor's Hornpipe", where the orchestra played each section faster than the one before and the promenaders stamped their feet in time to the music. And a large matron singing "Rule Britannia". And the now internationally famous "Land of Hope and Glory" to which everyone sang along. (And there is only one verse, by the way :-))

When people talk humorously about English patriotism, the Last night of the Proms is often something that is mentioned, especially "Land of Hope and Glory". Recently, with the move away from overt patriotism, I understand that there have been efforts to tone down the traditional elements of the Last Night. I know that initially the idea was not well received.

To get tickets to the Last Night of the Proms, you need to have attended other promenade concerts. You can read more about the proms at this site:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/proms/aboutfestival/

Jennifer


 

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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:00:41 EDT
From:    Jeremy Sites <JSites3704@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: YouTube is amazing

I find this talk about the use of youtube in the classroom both fascinating 
and frustrating. Our directory of technology says there is no way we can use 
youtube due to all kinds of copyright and legal issues, and that I should even
 be careful using it at home! All I was asking for was to able to show
selected  videos for educational purposes, not for all of the students to be able to
 access to youtube at school.
 
I hope that things will evolve enough so that school districts such as my 
own will not get left out. How many teachers out there can use youtube at 
school?  Did you have to persuade your school to unblock it? I have seen  messages
here about downloading the videos and putting them onto a DVD, but most  of us
are just not technologically savvy, IMHO.
 
Jeremy
 
Maine-Endwell High School
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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:29:53 -0500
From:    Meyer Family <cmeyer@CAVES.NET>
Subject: Re: YouTube is amazing

> I hope that things will evolve enough so that school districts such as my
> own will not get left out. How many teachers out ...
...snip...
> here about downloading the videos and putting them onto a DVD, but most
> of us
> are just not technologically savvy, IMHO.

Give the students the URL and have them look it up themselves?

Charlotte Meyer
Japanese Instructor
AMDG, Inc.
http://amdg.ws
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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:38:08 -0500
From:    CRS <crjs@MAC.COM>
Subject: Re: YouTube is amazing

On Apr 15, 2007, at 2:00 PM, Jeremy Sites wrote:

>  I have seen  messages
> here about downloading the videos and putting them onto a DVD, but 
> most  of us
> are just not technologically savvy, IMHO.

Can anyone tell me how to save YouTube on a Mac?  I'm watching a 
speech by Carlos Fuentes at Dartmouth, and I'd like to save it and 
use it at school.  I also found a clip about the marriage of 
JuanCarlos and Sofia.  And several pieces by and about Pablo Neruda.  
I'd love to have a nice file of these clips, but I'm among the "not 
technologically savvy" crowd.

Carol
crjs@mac.com

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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:16:54 +0100
From:    David Wilson <davidritchiewilson@BTINTERNET.COM>
Subject: Re: "Prom" in England (was prom/Spanish)

> "Okay, now I'm curious...please explain the usage in the UK".

I'm a Brit living in the North East of England. Yes, indeed, the word "Prom"
certainly makes many of my compatriots think of the "Last Night of the
Proms", which is a very British institution. However, among the younger
generation, the word is more likely nowadays to conjur up the image of a
formal ball held at a plush hotel during the summer after the General
Certificate of Secondary Education examinations are over for the
16-year-olds in Year 11 (Grade 10). The young ladies and their female
teachers wear long dresses and some of the young men (and their male
teachers) wear evening dress, i.e. tuxedos. A few will arrive in a stretch
limousine, but most come in a specially hired bus. There's a formal dinner,
followed by formal dances and lots of speeches are made and photographs
taken. It's un unashamedly American import and it costs parents a fortune!
British secondary schools have held such proms every year for the last ten
years or so. The event is treated as a reward for good work and behaviour
and those who don't work or behave sometimes find themselves threatened with
exclusion from the prom unless they make more of an effort.

My secondary school's last prom pictures are at

http://www.harton-tc.co.uk/pictures/proms/index.php

David Wilson
Harton Technology College, South Shields, UK
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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:16:19 -0400
From:    Anne Fontaine <fontaine@MIDMAINE.COM>
Subject: Re: YouTube is amazing

On Saturday, April 14, 2007, at 04:25  PM, Sandra Howard wrote:

> Hello Colleagues,
>
> I checked out YouTube on the off chance it would have a video of Pierre
> Perret singing his song Lily.


> http://youtube.com/watch?v=6w7k1jEAKiM

And there is this video of just the song Lili which was one of my
favorites " back in the day". Anne

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1LwIKW2DX0&NR=1

>

Anne V. Fontaine
ancien prof de francais
237 Weir Cove Road
Harborside, ME 04642
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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:42:36 -0500
From:    "Delzer, Rachel" <rdelzer@USD266.COM>
Subject: Re: YouTube is amazing

We can use YouTube although other sites are blocked.  I found a great 5 =
minute clip of scenes from Semana Santa en Sevilla that I showed to the =
class.  I feel that you must be careful since there are so many videos =
not suitable for classroom, but I wish schools would let us be =
professional enough to know what NOT to show.  As for copyright, and I =
am NO expert, but don't the people that put the videos on YouTube know =
that they are allowing millions of people to view it?  The video I =
showed even had an opening scene with the name of the author so =
obviously he wanted credit, which was fine by me.  Is there really such =
a thing as copyright on YouTube?
=20
Rachel Delzer
Maize High School, Kansas

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From: Foreign Language Teaching Forum on behalf of Jeremy Sites
Sent: Sun 4/15/2007 2:00 PM
To: FLTEACH@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU
Subject: Re: [FLTEACH] YouTube is amazing



I find this talk about the use of youtube in the classroom both =
fascinating=20
and frustrating. Our directory of technology says there is no way we can =
use=20
youtube due to all kinds of copyright and legal issues, and that I =
should even
 be careful using it at home! All I was asking for was to able to show
selected  videos for educational purposes, not for all of the students =
to be able to
 access to youtube at school.

I hope that things will evolve enough so that school districts such as =
my=20
own will not get left out. How many teachers out there can use youtube =
at=20
school?  Did you have to persuade your school to unblock it? I have seen =
 messages
here about downloading the videos and putting them onto a DVD, but most  =
of us
are just not technologically savvy, IMHO.

Jeremy

Maine-Endwell High School
Endwell, NY



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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:50:02 -0400
From:    Line Feldman <linef@OPTONLINE.NET>
Subject: Re: Questions about French song

Hello,

SMS=3D Short Message Service and is text messaging over the cell phone.
MMS=3D Multimedia Message Service extends text messaging to include =
photos,
texts, graphics, audio clips.

"Parce que la famille c'est l'amour et l'amour se fait rare
Elle se bat tant bien que mal pour les mettre =E0 l'=E9cart".

Diam's does refer to "la famille et l'amour". My understanding is that =
young
women from disaffected suburbs often suffer from a patriarchal family
structure that dictates them behaviors and a code of conduct =
counter-courant
to French society. Fathers and brothers exert control over their =
daughters
and sisters, and consequently these young women often choose to "les =
mettre
=E0 l'=E9cart" or keep them away from their lives to protect themselves.
Often brothers check on their sisters, and can be very repressive. =
Families
in this context do not provide love and a safe environment, and become
irrelevant.=20
Finding love and creating one's own family is also difficult, especially =
if
these girls have had poor family role-models and men are macho.=20

Hope you find it helpful,

Line Feldman
Stony Brook, NY 11794

>From: Foreign Language Teaching Forum =
>[mailto:FLTEACH@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]
>On Behalf Of Sandra Howard
>Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 8:41 PM
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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:06:54 -0700
From:    Keith Swayne <language@SHAW.CA>
Subject: Re: YouTube is amazing

Many of the videos on YouTube are not posted with the consent of those who
made them. Video clips can be extracted by anyone from DVDs or TV/video
cards with very simple inexpensive (sometimes free) technology.

Keith Swayne

>From: Foreign Language Teaching Forum [mailto:FLTEACH@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]
>On Behalf Of Delzer, Rachel
>Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 1:43 PM
 ...snip...
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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:31:42 -0700
From:    Roy and Jennifer Henson <rjhenson@PACBELL.NET>
Subject: Re: YouTube is amazing

Carol wrote:

"Can anyone tell me how to save YouTube on a Mac?  I'm watching a speech
by Carlos Fuentes at Dartmouth, and I'd like to save it and use it at
school.  I also found a clip about the marriage of JuanCarlos and
Sofia.  And several pieces by and about Pablo Neruda.  I'd love to have
a nice file of these clips, but I'm among the "not technologically
savvy" crowd. "


Carol, I'll contact you. I'm not tech savvy, either, but I manage to do
it, using a set of step-by-step instructions my son wrote for me. I
think it's well worth persevering. I am frustrated that I don't really
understand what I am doing, so if anything goes wrong I have to call in
someone else, but it's a start!  I hope to learn more during the summer
break.

Like Sandra and others, I am amazed and excited at the potential of
youtube. It's a true gift to modern language teachers. I really wish I'd
had access to it when I was teaching some of the wonderfully motivated
classes I had in my early career.

Jennifer

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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:34:28 -0400
From:    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Donald_Chester?= <k4kyv@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Spanish Civil war

After you have taught your unit on the Spanish Civil War, recommend to yo=
ur
students to rent and view the currently popular film "Pans Labyrinth"
(Spanish with subtitles) which should be coming out on DVD soon.

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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:54:03 -0700
From:    liz gomez <lizmgomez@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Thank you (Spanish Civil War)

Thank you so much for all of your help! I've been given a wealth of information and resources. 
  
  Liz Gomez

      
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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:59:08 -0500
From:    Jennifer Weir <jweir@HPSD.K12.MS.US>
Subject: Re: speaking in target language

Hi Katie,
i have had some success with using a bank like system for my French IV.  I
put their names on the board, and each time they are caught using English,
a check is put next to their name.  If they receive 5 checks, they lose 10
participation points for that week.  If they do not receive any checks,
they earn credit and can use english up to three times for the next week.
(they have to raise their hand and state in the TL that they will use one
of their opportunities to speak English).  This worked well in that they
were a competitive class and policed each other and worked really hard to
have zero checks on the board by the end of the week.

I say I had some success, because after a few weeks of this, the novelty
of the 'game' wore off and they cared less about getting check marks or
policing one another.  I admit I needed to be more strict with keeping up
with the system, but it was a bit of extra work and begin to inhibit them
speaking in either French or English.

Jennifer
Hattiesburg High School, MS

> I have a problem with my upper-level classes (Spanish III) for which I am
> going to do action research.  The problem is that I cannot get them to
 ...snip...
>   Thanks so much!
>   Katie Heaps
>
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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:06:19 -0700
From:    Terry Kirby <frenchy40336@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Need Fundraising Idesa

 
  I am doing a trip to London and Paris in 2008 with high school students.  We are doing the usual fund raising events: bake sales, candy sales and bingo through a local charitable organization.  We have a French Club Boosters organization set up to do fund raising to avoid breaking any district or state regulations.  We are looking for new fund raising ideas.  All suggestions will be appreciated.
  
  Terry Kirby
  ECHS
  Irvine, KY

      
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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:01:53 -0400
From:    Wes Groleau <groleau+flt@FREESHELL.ORG>
Subject: Re: YouTube is amazing

On Apr 15, 2007, at 4:42 PM, Delzer, Rachel wrote:
> As for copyright, and I am NO expert, but don't the people that put
> the videos on YouTube know that they are allowing millions ...
...snip...
> name of the author so obviously he wanted credit, which was fine by
> me.  Is there really such a thing as copyright on YouTube?

Almost anyone can upload videos to YouTube, and many do.
There is a lot of copyright violations and a lot of porn.

I don't know what YouTube does about the former, but the
latter, ONCE THEY KNOW ABOUT IT, they move to a "private"
area that you can only view if you are a "member."

In either case, their defense if any legal action were to
be filed against them would be "Everybody that uploads stuff
has to check a box that they promise not to do that.  And
every one who views stuff is offered the warning that if
they see something they don't like, it's not our fault."

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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:07:05 -0600
From:    "Britton P. Boyd" <bboyd@RFSD.K12.CO.US>
Subject: suggestions for brand new classroom

I'm a very lucky high school language teacher in that next year I'll be
getting a new classroom in a new school.  I also have a supportive
principal who has asked me to think about any kind of special features I
would like in the room.  I teach principally using TPRS and a
communicative approach.  Here are some ideas I've had, and I'd appreciate
any input on them:

-Adding some sort of a stage or platform for skits, etc.

-Having a SMART Board (Do these work well with language teaching?)

-Including the capability to teach with a headset and surround sound (Does
anyone do this?  Do you find it to be effective?  Any suggestions on
products?)

-Headsets to use with SKYPE

Any other suggestions?  Thanks,

Brit

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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:12:24 -0700
From:    Jo Newman <jnewman@SPANISH4LIFE.NET>
Subject: Re: suggestions for brand new classroom

I would ask for bookshelves that allow books to be displayed!
Some comfortable chairs or bean bags for FVR and storytelling!

Enjoy your new classroom!

Jo

>From: Foreign Language Teaching Forum [mailto:FLTEACH@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]
>On Behalf Of Britton P. Boyd
>Sent: domingo, 15 de abril de 2007 16:07
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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:43:01 -0700
From:    Paul Conley <pconleynm@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: suggestions for brand new classroom

Brit,

Check the archives. Someone with a similar situation asked the same 
question a few weeks ago.
Paul.

On Apr 15, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Britton P. Boyd wrote:

> I'm a very lucky high school language teacher in that next year 
> I'll be
> getting a new classroom in a new school.  I also have a supportive
> principal who has asked me to think about any kind of special 
> features I
> would like in the room.

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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:55:09 -0400
From:    Jeanmarie Hicks <jh1721@NYU.EDU>
Subject: looking for 'la valise rouge

Does anyone know where the online story 'La valise rouge' can be accessed?  I think it used to be available on this website: www.lavaliserouge.nu, which no longer works.  Thanks in advance!

Jeanmarie Hicks

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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:01:24 -0700
From:    Phyllis Salsedo <phyllis.salsedo@PCMAIL.MARICOPA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Need Fundraising Idesa

If you have a WalMart Distribution Center near you, WalMart and Sam's Clu=
b
both give away $$ every year.  I was given $1500 in August which I could
use as wanted.  The only catch is that it has to be left with the school
where you are teaching.  However, the manager at our nearby Distribution
Center won't allow admins to dictate how it is to be used.

You might contact businesses for $$.

>-- Original Message --
>Date:         Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:06:19 -0700
>Reply-To:     Foreign Language Teaching Forum <FLTEACH@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.=

EDU>

>From:         Terry Kirby <frenchy40336@YAHOO.COM>
>Subject: Need Fundraising Idesa
>To:           FLTEACH@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU
>
>
>
>  I am doing a trip to London and Paris in 2008 with high school student=

s.

> We are doing the usual fund raising events: bake sales, candy sales and=


>bingo through a local charitable organization.  We have a French Club Bo=

osters

>organization set up to do fund raising to avoid breaking any district or=


>state regulations.  We are looking for new fund raising ideas.  All sugg=

estions

>will be appreciated.
>  
>  Terry Kirby
>  ECHS
>  Irvine, KY
>
>      
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Sincerely,
Phyllis Salsedo
=A1A sus ordenes!
Adjunct Faculty in Reading, ESL, Spanish, English, and Technology
(including use of Webct, Blackboard, and eJournal)
I teach courses in both English and Spanish, and online.

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Date:    Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:20:05 -0400
From:    D & M Blaz <blazm@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: short video on Paris

 Just watched a cute, short, probably-not-blocked (I=92ll check tomorrow =
at
school) video at

www.lostinfrancelation.com <http://www.lostinfrancelation.com/>=20

In it a young man goes around Paris looking for clich=E9s=85rides in a =
taxi,
sits in a caf=E9=85you hear a little French.

=20

You might like to check it out.

=20

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